When do we start fighting about awd vs winter tires?

"Bryan doesn't drive a 1M" (bryantakespictures)
12/04/2016 at 18:10 • Filed to: None

It’s usually about this time, no?

Sorry for the shitstirring, here’s a car:

DISCUSSION (30)

Berang > Bryan doesn't drive a 1M
12/04/2016 at 18:15

we got TIRED of doing that.

XJDano > Bryan doesn't drive a 1M
12/04/2016 at 18:16

I have neither AWD or snow tires.

Opinion on Mud tires for snow?

gmctavish needs more space > Bryan doesn't drive a 1M
12/04/2016 at 18:16

I just decided to have both

4muddyfeet - bare knuckle with an EZ30 > Bryan doesn't drive a 1M
12/04/2016 at 18:17

Let it be said from this day forth, we all agree that the best solution is AWD with winter tyres . If you haven’t got AWD you only have one option - winter tyres . If you do have AWD - be safe and do both, I do.

HFV has no HFV. But somehow has 2 motorcycles > Bryan doesn't drive a 1M
12/04/2016 at 18:23

Both. And winter tires always no matter what tires drive your car, because you still use all four to stop.

HFV has no HFV. But somehow has 2 motorcycles > XJDano
12/04/2016 at 18:24

It’s better than nothin.

HFV has no HFV. But somehow has 2 motorcycles > Berang
12/04/2016 at 18:24

I get it

Alfalfa > Bryan doesn't drive a 1M
12/04/2016 at 18:26

I just do FWD and all-seasons like a pleb.

Maxima Speed > 4muddyfeet - bare knuckle with an EZ30
12/04/2016 at 18:28

You sir, win the Internet for the duration of winter.

Steve in Manhattan > Bryan doesn't drive a 1M
12/04/2016 at 18:30

The best looking BMW ever designed - there, I said it.

And I am agnostic on AWD v. snow tires (tyres) - had good snows on my ‘87 300D (RWD, of course) and all seasons on the ‘97 SHO (FWD, of course) and I never had a real problem with either, although the 300D slipped off the road once. Worst incident was a snowstorm when I had snows on my ‘88 Toyota 4WD pickup - not quite in 4WD although the light was lit, rear end swung around, and suddenly the truck was on its side. A bunch of guys came along in an F150 and helped me push it back onto its wheels. Drove it home, and $1600 and a junkyard mirror later it was fixed.

Logansteno: Bought a VW? > Bryan doesn't drive a 1M
12/04/2016 at 18:34

RWD with all seasons and lots of sand bags in the bed.

#trucklife

LongbowMkII > Bryan doesn't drive a 1M
12/04/2016 at 18:40

Lowered Miata with balding all seasons. Learn2drive

yamahog > XJDano
12/04/2016 at 18:42

Ok in snow, absolutely horrifying garbage on ice.

AndreGiraffe > Bryan doesn't drive a 1M
12/04/2016 at 18:42

This is the correct order.

awd/winter tires>fwd/winter tires>rwd/winter tires>awd/all season>fwd/all season>rwd/all season>anything with summer tires

yamahog > Logansteno: Bought a VW?
12/04/2016 at 18:44

we went with bags of pea gravel so that in case of stuck, they can be used for traction

OPPOsaurus WRX > Bryan doesn't drive a 1M
12/04/2016 at 18:48

O man I had summers on my WRX the first winter. Awd doesn’t to shit, especially when u need to stop.

Dusty Ventures > yamahog
12/04/2016 at 19:23

Hockey pucks

gogmorgo - rowing gears in a Grand Cherokee > HFV has no HFV. But somehow has 2 motorcycles
12/04/2016 at 19:29

Honestly it’s worse than nothing. Mud tires turn into solid rocks in the cold. Solid rocks that grip nothing.

gogmorgo - rowing gears in a Grand Cherokee > Logansteno: Bought a VW?
12/04/2016 at 19:47

I’ve never found benefit to hauling weight around. I tried it one winter, and the graph of traction gained(x) vs tail-happiness(y) looks a lot like a tan function, in that x goes nowhere before it smashes into an asymptote and y spikes through the roof.

Before I swapped in the full-time tcase, the MJ didn’t change much between summer and winter configuration, 2wd with no added weight, almost never using 4x4 on the street. Adding weight increased oversteer, driving in 4x4 led to ridiculous levels of understeer. But I suppose your mileage could vary.

TheTurbochargedSquirrel > XJDano
12/04/2016 at 19:57

Not very good. Like dusty said they turn rock hard as soon as it gets below 40.

wiffleballtony > 4muddyfeet - bare knuckle with an EZ30
12/04/2016 at 20:08

You sir are incorrect. Winter tires are even better.

wiffleballtony > Bryan doesn't drive a 1M
12/04/2016 at 20:08

/runssummertiresallyear

TFen > XJDano
12/04/2016 at 20:20

I did about $3000 worth of damage to my F350 the first time I experienced ice running Toyo MT’s.

I wasn’t expecting them to behave so poorly on ice, they definitely gave me a very false sense of security.

Flavien Vidal > Bryan doesn't drive a 1M
12/04/2016 at 20:30

What does AWD and snow tires have to do with each other?? The only thing AWD does, is help you get out of piles of snow and accelerate faster. AWD does not help you to turn nor brake. That’s what snow tires are for.

gogmorgo - rowing gears in a Grand Cherokee > XJDano
12/04/2016 at 21:11

Quite a few of the newer AT’s are getting the snow-peak-thing rating for severe winter conditions that is required by most jurisdictions to be considered a winter tire. My Grabber AT2's do pretty well in snow and ice. Not as good as I expect an actual winter tire will do, but pretty damn good for a tire that can be driven 6500 miles to Death Valley in August without issues.

IanZ - limited-slip indifferential > Bryan doesn't drive a 1M
12/04/2016 at 22:44

It’s literally impossible to get up our driveway in the winter without studded snow tires and AWD. So it’s kinda a moot point for us. You obviously need snow tires to deal with the colder temperatures, and depending on the conditions, AWD could be necessary or just a plus.

pip bip - choose Corrour > Bryan doesn't drive a 1M
12/05/2016 at 04:25

i have never purchased winter tyres. nor owned an AWD car.

jayhawkracer > 4muddyfeet - bare knuckle with an EZ30
12/05/2016 at 14:23

Winter tires are more about stopping. AWD is more about getting you going again. They’re kind of a mutually exclusive issue.

AWD does nothing to help you stop. If you’re an experienced rally artist, maybe it helps you avoid a collision, but for most people, it does nothing in an emergency situation.

4muddyfeet - bare knuckle with an EZ30 > jayhawkracer
12/05/2016 at 14:34

I appreciate that, my point was winter tyres for 2WD, and AWD and winter tyres if you have the option.

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > Bryan doesn't drive a 1M
12/28/2016 at 14:19

We don’t. We live in a warmer clime.